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Another Old Name Crops Up

It seems some of the old names are making a come back, the latest is Greenges 2005 SL. These were based in Fuengirola and have not been heard from for around 5 years, this time in a very unusual way.

Inside Timeshare received an enquiry regarding a call they received telling them that their parents had been awarded £24,000 by the courts for a mis sold timeshare in Tenerife. The call came from someone claiming to be from the Ministry of Justice and to verify the fact they should contact Greenges in Spain who he claimed had done the work for the readers parents.

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According to the caller from the Ministry of Justice, if they did not claim the money within 5 days it would be returned back to the court. This is a very strange fact, as the courts do not work in this way, also the Ministry of Justice is a Government Department and nothing to do with the Judiciary and Courts.

So we can only speculate that the scam will be the usual “Taxes” to release the money, then a fee to pay for the work involved.

Now Greenges 2005 SL is still a registered company with the NIF number B92652288, the registered address is:

Calle San Antonio 22, Edificio San Miguel, 29640 Fuengirola, they also had another address which also comes up on Google as:

Lope de Vega 60,  29631 Arroyo de la Miel, Benalmádena, this address is actually at Los Boliches Fuengirola not Arroyo de la Miel.

Previous telephone numbers are:

Telephone 0034 952 446093 and fax 0034 952561178
Telephone 0034 952 667357 and fax 0034 952 667545

According to the Google ad it is a computer software company, yet we can’t find any website for them.

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A past director of the company Sharifi Mahmoud Reza has well known links with the following companies:

Fuengirola Servicios 2002 SL

Key Property Town Advisory (KPTA)

The Justice Group Direct

Another dubious link is the administrator of Ramirez & Ramirez, Fabián Ramirez Marcelo as he also appeared as the administrator of Fuengirola Servicios 2002 SL.

The latest director is named as Daniel Ernesto Calle Guden who was appointed on 21 February 2018.

It must also be remembered,  when they were operating in the past they were posing as a law firm yet their business activity according to the company register included purchase and sale of motor vehicles and food, the provision of all kinds of services such as accounting and financial advice.

So there we have it, the old firms up and running again, this time claiming that money has been awarded and is waiting to be paid out.

If you receive a call or email claiming to be from the Ministry of Justice, or some company appointed by the courts, then you can be sure it is going to be a scam.

Contact Inside Timeshare if you need any help on how to check out any company that contacts you or that you have found on the internet, doing your homework will save you from the scammers in the end.

 

The Resurrected!

One thing that never surprises me is the number of companies that disappear for a while and then suddenly reappear. One company that seems to have been resurrected are our old friends from Fuengirola, Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados SL.

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Around six years ago this company was targeting clients who had dealings with Incentive Leisure Group, purchasing the Designer Way Vacation Club membership. Their pitch at the time was reclaiming the purchase price and promoting a class action against ILG and the cashback scheme. They passed themselves off as a law firm, with a website called specialist-lawyers.com.

 

This company was headed up by one Fabian Marcelo Ramirez, who was also the administrator of several sister companies in the same area peddling the same product. These were Fuengirola Servicios 2002 SL, Key Properties Town Advisory and Greenges SL. Many people had dealings with these smooth talking outfits, all losing very substantial amounts of money.

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Ramirez & Ramirez began to have a field day when the ILG & DWVC operations were closed down by the Office of Fair Trading (UK) in September 2012. Clients were bombarded with calls claiming that a class action was being pursued by Ramirez & Ramirez, or that there were substantial amounts of money being held by the Courts in Malaga which were waiting to be paid out to them.

 

One Genuine Law Firm in Malaga had many dealing with Ramirez & Ramirez, LawBird whose website belegal.com highlighted them for several years, even to the extent that Antonio Flores was taken to court for liable. Ramirez lost the case with the judge actually saying in open court that it was not wrong to call Ramirez a “crook and swindler”

 

http://belegal.com/blog-by-antonio-flores/tag/ramirez-and-ramirez-abogados/

 

Then all of a sudden around June 2013, they disappeared, phone lines no longer working and the website closed down. After a few months, around October 2013, clients began receiving calls and emails from another company offering to help. These emails were signed by one Marcelo Ramirez.

 

Was it the same person, or one of the ex employees with the client list. Personally I think it was Marcelo himself. This didn’t last long as once again it all stopped. But the story is not over.

 

Just recently in the past month Ramirez & Ramirez seems to have come back from the dead. The address given is the same as before, Calle Cordoba no 35 Edif Villa Blanca 1C, 29640, Fuengirola, Malaga. This time all cases they had running have been won and the money is waiting for you. Only a matter of fees to be paid and you can have it back. Oh well, I suppose old Ramirez must be a little short of cash after his holiday!

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Remember the courts do not operate in this way, and if there are any fees to be paid, why not take them from the awarded amounts and send the remainder to the client. That seems to make more sense. So don’t fall for this smooth talking pitch, Ramirez did not have any cases going to court, they are not abogados / lawyers, they just have a very long track record of duping people out of their money.

 

If you have had any contact with this company recently Inside Timeshare would like to hear from you. Give us your story and we can warn others of any change in this companies pitch.