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The Tuesday Slot with Irene, Plus some news about Butlins.

In this Tuesday’s article by Irene Parker, she explains how timeshare members fight back, this is a rather timely piece as we have recently received some disturbing news. It would appear that not is all well at Butlins.

In previous articles we praised Butlins Blueskies timeshare as one that was sold correctly and seemed to have very few complaints from members. That had now changed, Butlins is ending Blueskies.

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According to some of the posts on the Blueskies, Butlins, members facebook page, members are not happy about losing their timeshares. They were told that if they did not accept the offer to terminate the club, then their maintenance fees would rise significantly.

According to some of the posts on the facebook page, Butlins have also been hiring out apartments to non members, which goes against what they were sold. One member posted the following:

“Blueskies was sold to most of us as an exclusive club, it was not to be hired out. Therefore Butlins Blueskies broke the contract with us as members when they started hiring apartments out without asking/informing us the members.”

It also looks like there are many complaints about the standards of the apartments and the service, that everything seems to have gone down hill. Repairs not being carried out, with comments on damaged floor tiles and windows.

But the vast majority of the comments surrounded the vote, which gone in Butlins favour and the club is to be wound up. It also appears that the vote was done on points, rather than just votes, the more points, the more votes. Which makes the vote in Butlins favour not surprising, as they will own the points not sold. We have seen this before at other timeshare resorts, where the vote has gone in favour of the developer or management company.

Many members are calling to band together and take legal action, as they feel they have been cheated. It is a sad day when a company like Butlins, which did have a relatively good reputation in the timeshare industry suddenly falls from grace. We wish the members all the best in their fight to right a wrong.

Follow the link to the Blueskies Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=Blueskies%2C%20Butlins%2C%20members

Now on with Irene’s article.

Lions and Cats

How Timeshare Members Fight Back

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By Irene Parker

October 17, 2017

A timeshare insider recently asked me, “Why is Timeshare Advocacy Group™ so successful?”  “How do you do it?”

Most timeshare members contacting Inside Timeshare and timeshare advocacy Facebook pages are confused, angry, and overwhelmed. Members face a battle pleading with a timeshare company, demanding a refund or loan be cancelled, knowing they may be forced into foreclosure if they are denied. If the member feels they were sold or up-sold by deceit, the conflict is magnified. The automatic denial from the resort leads to more anger and frustration as rebuttals ensue. We take pride in the number of members we have steered away from fraudulent transfer companies charging hefty amounts for so called guaranteed exits.

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Something clicks inside a person when they have had enough, be it a victim of domestic abuse, child abuse, or predatory timeshare sales. Our goal is to turn the sound of the caller’s scared and desperate voice into a confident voice by providing the member with the resources needed to take action and advocate.

Three of Timeshare Advocacy Group’s leaders

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Irene “Irina” Allen is our Timeshare Advocacy Group™ administrator

http://insidetimeshare.com/monday-start-another-week/

We seek to provide members a way to proactively address membership concerns; to advocate for timeshare reform; to obtain greater disclosure from the company; to advocate for a viable secondary market; and to educate prospective buyers.

https://www.facebook.com/timeshareadvocategroup/

Eron Grant is an educator who has volunteered to be our “go to” person analyzing ARDA’s Code of Ethics. After a member submits a report to us, Eron identifies how a timeshare developer has violated ARDA’s Code of Ethics. The report is forwarded to ARDA’s General Counsel and Lobbyist. So far there has been no response. We feel if an organization says they have a Code of Ethics, the Code should be enforced. Here is how Eron describes how ARDA’s Code of Ethics was violated in the case of her family. ARDA stands for American Resort Development Association. The code can be found in Eron’s article.

http://insidetimeshare.com/fridays-letter-america-14/

Advocacy groups have been encouraging timeshare members not to make a voluntary donation to ARDA ROC, feeling the $4 to $5 million a year raised is used to lobby against timeshare owners when an issue is at odds with developer interest. It’s doubtful most owners know what the letters ARDA ROC stand for.

“Owners donated $5.5 million this year, through voluntary contributions on their maintenance fees, to support ARDA-ROC, the independent Resort Owners’ Coalition that teams up with ARDA on consumer and legal issues that impact owners. The top two givers were owners at Diamond Resorts and Bluegreen Vacations, each of whom contributed $1 million for ARDA’s representation.” RedWeek April, 2017

According to Dr. Amy Gregory, University of Central Florida, who presented at an ARDA World Conference,

“A whopping 85 percent of all buyers regret their (timeshare) purchase (for money, fear, confusion, intimidation, distrust and other reasons). Forty-one percent of buyers never thought they would regret their purchase, but they did; another 30 percent were neutral prior to buying, but then regretted it.”

https://www.redweek.com/resources/ask-redweek/arda-world-timeshare-owners

ARDA worked to pass legislation in Florida making it more difficult for timeshare members to be released from contracts due to non material errors. A high percentage of buyer’s remorse, coupled with a perpetual contract, little or no exit, and rising maintenance fees have left frustrated timeshare members no place to turn in an industry that is virtually unregulated. Lawmakers, influenced by lobby dollars, turn a deaf ear. Advocacy groups were outraged by the Florida bill.

https://www.redweek.com/resources/ask-redweek/arda-roc-donation-in-maintenance-bill

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Karen Garello is our Secret Shopper coordinator. Karen is one of several members who allege they did not know, until they returned home, a credit card had been used to purchase a timeshare product. Marsha Young also was unaware she had been charged for the same timeshare product, but Marsha received her money back, told the person who sold it to her had been fired. The resort said he had been the top selling agent of this particular product.

http://insidetimeshare.com/works-industries-not-timeshare/

Inside Timeshare and Timeshare Advocacy Group™ developed a step-by-step plan a member can follow if a resort offers no assistance. Through regulatory filings and media outreach members are helping other members while also contributing to timeshare reform. Other advocates, working behind the scenes, focus on legislative actions. Time, patience and diligence are necessary.

Many of the members reaching out to us have health issues. Out of 166 complaints received, diagnoses include cancer, dementia, concussion, kidney disease, Bell’s palsy, financial loss caused by loss of employment or divorce, and grief over the loss of a spouse or loved one. Developer attorneys say hardship is not a legal defense.

Many life events cannot be foreseen, so consumers thinking about buying a timeshare need to think about whether it is prudent to buy anything for $25,000 to over $500,000 that does not have a secondary market, is perpetual, and is accompanied by rising maintenance fees. Some timeshares have a limited secondary market. Members of the Licensed Timeshare Resale Broker Association can give you an idea of what your timeshare may be worth on the secondary market.

http://www.licensedtimeshareresalebrokers.org/

Inside Timeshare has received many complaints (157 out of 166) by timeshare members alleging they were deceived on the front end of the timeshare sale. We are learning there are many ways to dodge the rescission period.

Timeshare member Tammy Arkley only realized this happened to her because she was able to access the booking site because her friend was already a member at a higher loyalty level. Tammy said she was told she would need fewer points to book stays if she upgraded to the next loyalty level, but when she went back to her room and logged onto her friend’s account, already at that loyalty level, she saw the reservation took the same exact number of points. She received her money back, but what did this experience do to change the image she had of this company?

In other words, there are some promises and claims that cannot be discovered until the buyer has access to the booking site, long after the cancellation period.

Similarly, others have been told they would need to wait six months before selling points after upgrading to the next loyalty level. By placing a six month wait on the false claim, the complaint is old when reported. Too many of our readers are highly educated professionals and were not alone when they attended the presentation. There are so many almost identical complaints – we can sometimes guess the name of the sales agent.

Timeshare members have had enough. Social Media now allows timeshare members to contact other members to find out they are not alone. Members include professionals offering their skills to help other members. We are hoping one day, if the timeshare companies themselves will not acknowledge the problems, lawmakers will pay attention.

My husband Don, and first read editor, asked me as I was writing this article, “Why does Disney have so few complaints?” Disney, I said, is a company backed by generations of little critters enmeshed in a corporate culture and brand that will not allow deceit but does allow a secondary market. It does not seem to have hurt their bottom line. Zacks estimates a year over year growth estimate of 11.27% forecasted for 9/20/2018 with an impressive 1.66% allowance for doubtful receivables 10/1/2016.

https://www.zacks.com/stock/quote/DIS/detailed-estimates

Walt Disney Co.’s allowance as a percentage of current receivables, gross declined from 2014 to 2015 and from 2015 to 2016.

 https://www.stock-analysis-on.net/NYSE/Company/Walt-Disney-Co/Financial-Reporting-Quality

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Contact Inside Timeshare to share your news and views or one of the available self-help groups. Our success is not measured in dollars. While many have received resolution or refunds, relinquishments, or loan cancellations, others brace for foreclosure. It’s about the “3Rs or F of Timeshare” – getting a bad decision in the rear view mirror supported by other members who care and bring their expertise from all walks of life into our Timeshare Advocacy Group™.

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/180578055325962/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DiamondResortsOwnersAdvocacy/

We now share some more news from the courts in Spain, the High Court in Tenerife yesterday announced another crippling verdict against Silverpoint. The judge has declared another client’s contract null and void, ordering the return of over £40,000 plus legal interests. Once again the courts are finding in favour of clients as per the rulings of the Supreme Court.

So no matter what the industry claims, they are losing the battle, consumers are protected by the law, at least as far as timeshares sold in Spain are concerned. It now needs the rest of Europe to follow suit, giving the protection that the EU Timeshare Directives promised. The industry must acknowledge the fact that they have for too long run roughshod over consumers in their quest for easy money.

 

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Friday’s Letter from America

Welcome to this week’s Friday’s Letter from America, it is not the article we originally planned as other events have taken over.

Firstly since Irene sent this article we have received some very sad news, Irene’s brother has sadly passed away. Inside Timeshare, along with all our readers and contributors, the staff at Canarian Legal Alliance send our deepest sympathies and condolences to Irene and all her family. Our thoughts are with you.

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As we said last month, the time has come when all the new companies and some of the older ones will start to contact timeshare owners. This is usually the time it starts as the annual maintenance bills are starting to come through the post.

Inside Timeshare has been receiving many requests for information on these, most are for so called claims. It is surprising how many owners are being told that they have a claim for miss-selling, even though they purchased in places like Mexico.

Appointments at various offices around the UK are being arranged, but beware, these “claims” will result in either the purchase of another product, the offer of relinquishment and then a claim on a no win no fee basis. This will cost thousands of pounds, the claim will more than likely be under Section 75 of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. If the purchase was more than 6 years ago you cannot claim. If you have used your timeshare there is no claim, even if you have never used it you will not have a claim as it was available.

Section 75 only cover the following:

  1. You have not received the goods or services paid for
  2. The company goes into liquidation
  3. The goods are faulty
  4. The company turns out to be fraudulent

section 75At present the only successful claims have been through the Spanish Courts, where the timeshare laws are very strong. So unless you purchased in Spain since 1999, you will not have any basis for a claim and this will have to go through court.

So beware of these companies that say you have a valid claim, check and double check the facts.

On the subject of court cases, the following were announced during the course of this week.

The Court of First Instance Number 4 in Tenerife has found against EZE Group, at present we do not know what the infractions were, no doubt those will be released soon. But the court has declared the client’s contract null and void with the return of over £52,000 plus legal interest.

In another case on Gran Canaria, the High Court has found against Puerto Calma Marketing SL and Vista Amadores SL, which are all part of Holiday Club. In this case the Norwegian clients will receive over 57,000€ plus legal interest, they also have had their contract declared null and void. (The full sentences can be read in the attached PDF)

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These two case were brought on behalf of the clients by non other than the lawyers of Canarian Legal Alliance.

So now on with our shorter article from Irene.

Rather than rush through an article for our regular Friday Letter from America, I would like to reach out to all Inside Timeshare readers who have reached out to us burdened with timeshare loans, credit cards and maintenance fees as a result of medical and financial hardship.

Charles Thomas was not able to complete his trip to Orlando due to problems with Spain’s electronic VISA service. Little did I think the room we had booked for Charles at Diamond Resort’s Mystic Dunes would become part of a Hospice end of life plan for an immediate family member.

Life tends to throw us a few curve balls. My brother entered Hospice near his 86th birthday this month near Orlando. We were able to provide my other brother and his wife Charles’ room as my brother and I kept nightshift watch over our older brother at Good Shepherd Hospice.

The experience led me to think about all the timeshare members who have contacted me under similar circumstances burdened by cancer, a diagnosis of dementia, Bell’s palsy, concussion, loss of a spouse or loss of job or divorce leading to financial hardship. I thought about how much more difficult this family crisis would be if I had a timeshare debt collector calling on top of all this. The majority of readers allege they were deceived into buying points or more points told this would alleviate timeshare expense because of maintenance fee relief programs or selling points programs that do not exist. It is my deepest desire timeshare companies will look upon the financial devastation the lack of a secondary market and the actions of unscrupulous sales agents can cause.

The industry reaction is often to behead the messengers. All of our readers who have followed us and submitted articles as a Contributor are messengers. There has been a glimmer of regulatory action and Social Media no longer keeps victims isolated and silenced. In an earlier article, I reviewed Jay Baer’s book Hug Your Haters describing how Social Media is changing the face of Customer Service. Mr. Baer is scheduled to be keynote speaker at the upcoming Interval International Shared Ownership Conference attended by developers and private equity firms. It’s not your grandma’s timeshare anymore. Timeshare is big business and, in my opinion, for some companies it is motivated by greed. Deceit is also so ingrained it is accepted and encouraged top down. No one disputes there are honest sales agents who sell the product without misrepresentations, but with rising default rates, there is another reason for developers to listen to Mr. Baer because as he warns, “Haters are not your problem….Ignoring them is.”

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Jay Baer

As always, thank you Charles Thomas for being our voice for members who have been voiceless for too long.

http://insidetimeshare.com/hug-haters-part-ii-customer-service-message/

Thank you Irene, our appreciation for sending this article through under the circumstances, we all wish you and your family well.

Now to end this week, remember to check any company that you are dealing with, if you are not sure how to do this contact Inside Timeshare and we will point you in the right direction.

Have a good weekend.

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The Tuesday Slot

Since we published last week’s Friday’s Letter from America, Inside Timeshare has received some very good news from one of our readers. It was concerning the “FAKE” law firm Amador Galeca Abogados, this reader had paid them by bank transfer to start “legal” proceedings against Royal Sunset Beach and Andrew Cooper. When she became suspicious, she found our articles on this group, which are part of the Litigious Abogados family of “FAKE” law firms.

We advised her to contact her bank and see if they could stop the transfer, this she did. Thankfully her bank has managed to do this and the money is now safely back in her account.

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She then received another call from this “law firm” asking why she had stopped the transfer and why she was not going to continue with the “case”. She told them in no uncertain terms that they were a “scam”, to which they replied, have you been reading the Inside Timeshare Blog? They are the ones perpetrating the scam!

Well, it is certainly a great scam, considering Inside Timeshare never receives or asks for any payment for any help or advice we give. To be a scam there must surely be some financial motive.

The only ones perpetrating a scam here are Amador Galeca Abogados along with all the other fake law firms this lot have produced. If Inside Timeshare is wrong in what we publish we ask this very simple question, YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE A LAW FIRM, SO WHY HAS INSIDE TIMESHARE OR OUR LAWYERS NOT HAD ANY NOTIFICATION OF YOU TAKING ANY LEGAL ACTION FOR PUBLISHING FALSEHOODS?

The simple answer is, YOU ARE THE FAKES, YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DEFRAUDING VULNERABLE ELDERLY TIMESHARE OWNERS. THE AUTHORITIES ARE ONTO YOU AND WE WILL KEEP ON PUBLISHING ABOUT YOU AND EVERY NEW WEBSITE, FAKE LAWYERS NAMES THAT YOU COME UP WITH. THAT IS OUR PROMISE TO ALL OUR READERS!

Now on with this Tuesday’ article from Irene Parker.

Timeshare Lending Decisions

As Compared to Prenuptial Agreements

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By Irene Parker

October 10, 2017

Mesmerized by the thought of endless vacations, while on vacation brain, staring at a finger pointed to a low monthly payment, the last thing on the mind of a timeshare buyer is “What type of lending, if any, should I select in the event my decision to spend thousands of dollars for a vacation plan does not work out?”  

The decision made about how to finance a timeshare purchase has a dramatic impact on what happens if a buyer learns later they made a mistake.

Hopefully, you didn’t make a mistake. There are timeshare companies that work hard to keep up industry standards and provide a viable, if limited, secondary market.

Last week we published an article about timeshare Foreclosure. Out of 160 US timeshare complaints Inside Timeshare has received, the majority are about high interest rate loans and even higher interest rate credit cards. The toxic and compounding effect of this combination can spell financial disaster. It can mean the down payment is financed at around 25% and the loan 12% to 19%. Many tell us they were told any bank would refinance a timeshare at a lower interest rate only to learn banks do not finance timeshares. Comments include, “Banks would be crazy not to finance your timeshare. It is worth $500,000!” when it was worth nothing on the secondary market”. One complaint even stated specifics – the name of the bank, the term and an interest rate of 6%.  

At the last timeshare presentation I attended, the sales agent told us, “When you get home, take out a home equity loan. No one would finance at our interest rates.” However, transferring to a lower interest loan like a home equity loan may not be the right decision either.

Inside Timeshare published its first Nightmare on Timeshare Street article one year ago. The family was struggling to pay maintenance fees. As so many of our readers have reported, a common solution, as suggested by unscrupulous sales agents,  is to sell the existing member more points as this will afford them maintenance fee relief or the ability to sell points. Unfortunately, the programs were non-existent. Fortunately this family walked away from this deal. Unfortunately, they had taken the financing advice and took out a home equity loan transferring the loan to a third party lender. When the kids said they wanted nothing to do with timeshare, and the maintenance fees escalated, they were forced to deed back $60,000 worth of vacation points and were left with a $33,000 home equity loan and a high school graduate starting college.

Should timeshare buyers ever consider third party lending?

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Timeshare Attorney Mike Finn of the Finn Law Group says NO!

Mike posted this comment after reading “Foreclosure, Is it Survivable?”

http://insidetimeshare.com/timeshare-foreclosure/#comment-10000

Another tremendous and informative article! I think the one major, major admonition I have for anyone, client or not, who has purchased a timeshare with developer financing and may want to reconsider the merits of the purchase (and, of course, assuming the rescission period has passed), do not, I repeat, do not under any circumstances, attempt to re-finance the purchase via a home equity line or a transfer to a lower interest credit card, or, for that matter any other methodology that has as its objective, re-paying the developer with other third party money.

For that matter don’t even think about using your own funds either! Assuming you soon may conclude that you do not want to continue with your timeshare obligation for whatever reason, legally based or economically driven or a combination of both, you will come out much better in the long run (no matter the developer’s interest rate) if you are left dealing with the developer as your creditor, as opposed to any other third party you opt to transfer that debt to! If you have any sort of legal argument that the resort debt was accompanied by any sort of misrepresentation or fraud in its inducement at time of contract of purchase, you will lose the benefit of that position with any other third party creditor save the resort!

Respectfully,

Mike Finn

This leads me to the comparison I made in today’s title, comparing a timeshare lending decision to a prenuptial agreement. Being in love is a little like being on vacation. A marriage often starts with a vacation. With love all around, the idea of signing an agreement that casts doubt on the “till death do us part” seems distasteful.

From what Mike Finn says, if you must buy a timeshare, begin with a negative end in mind. Buy it on the developer’s high interest rate nickel because in-house loans are easier to cancel. For my part, if this is the appropriate strategy, then a timeshare should never be purchased. Would I buy our timeshares again knowing what I know today? Yes, I would buy Port Elsewhere in the Ozarks and Maui Hill fixed-week timeshares again. Ambiguous right-to-use programs I think not.

Can we stop unethical timeshare business practices?

I doubt it. In Florida alone, $70 billion a year flows into the state in tourist dollars. Lawmakers, some influenced by lobbyists, have turned a deaf ear. Regulation is by design at the state level, disguising and diminishing the scope of the problem.  For some industry players, the culture of deceit on the front end of the timeshare sale is so ingrained it is the established norm. Until the problems associated with perpetual contracts with no secondary market and deceitful and overly aggressive sales tactics are acknowledged and addressed, buyers should consider carefully the choice between buying a timeshare and booking online. To my knowledge not one timeshare company has ever admitted wrongdoing.

The following self-help Facebook pages offer members a safe place to express concerns and share experiences. Petitioning a timeshare company can be frustrating and intimidating. Contact Inside Timeshare or one of these self-help groups if you have a positive or negative timeshare experience to share.

We seek to provide members a way to proactively address membership concerns; to advocate for timeshare reform; to obtain greater disclosure from the company; to advocate for a viable secondary market; and to educate prospective buyers.

https://www.facebook.com/timeshareadvocategroup/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/180578055325962/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DiamondResortsOwnersAdvocacy/

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Thanks Irene for that article, also our thanks to Mike Finn of the Finn Law Group for your contribution.

Inside Timeshare welcomes contributions to our pages from you the readers, we are also looking for more contributors from Australia, Asia, Mexico Central and South America, India and anywhere that timeshare consumers exist. Let us all get together and share our experiences, the industry will only change when we all speak with one voice.

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Friday’s Letter from America on Thursday

Welcome to Friday’s Letter from America on Thursday, yes that is correct, we are publishing a day early as we are travelling to the US on Friday.

Inside Timeshare is visiting our American colleagues, with Irene and Don meeting me at Orlando airport, while there we have arranged to meet with several attorneys including America’s very own Timeshare Crusader Lisa Ann SchreierWe will also be meeting many other people and hopefully having a few cold beers.

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Inside Timeshare is also pleased to announce a new collaboration, for sometime CLA International based in Dubai, has been getting their website up and running. They have been following the articles published on Inside Timeshare and have asked if we would run their news section.

They wanted an independent voice rather than their own take on things, Inside Timeshare has agreed to supply those articles, so many of the articles regarding international timeshare news we publish will be posted on their website. These will be from the many contributors who are now writing for Inside Timeshare. We also hope to add more from the following areas:

India (Goa), Thailand and the surrounding Asian area, Australia, Mexico, Central and South America, we welcome any contributor who would like to publish their experiences, news and views on the world of timeshare. You can contact us via our contact page or direct to admin@insidetimeshare.com

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Update from Europe

Once again, Inside Timeshare has heard from another reader who found our articles on the Litigious Abogados family, namely Amador Galeca Abogados.

The reader had a call regarding their timeshare at Royal Sunset Beach, with the name Andrew Cooper again being named as the director being taken to court with all his personal property and assets being seized. For a sum of just under 1000€ they could be part of the case.

The reader then made a bank transfer, but then decided to check out the name Andrew Cooper, finding our previous article. When the reader contacted us we explained how the scam operates, they immediately informed their bank and the bank is now trying to stop the transaction.

The reader explained that when her husband became too ill to travel Royal Sunset actually took back the timeshare, so they no longer owned. Because of this there would not be any basis for a claim in any court.

This story just goes to show once again, before you pay any money, check who you are dealing with. Hopefully the readers bank was informed in time to stop the money being transferred.

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We started the week with verdict from the courts against Palm Oasis (Tasolan), the following day the Supreme Court ruled on another case against Silverpoint in Tenerife, that made 64 rulings from this court on timeshare. In this case the court again declared the contract null and void, awarding over £99,000 plus a double deposit of £6,082 including legal fees and legal interest.

Then yesterday Wednesday 4 October the High Court in Tenerife ruled once again against Silverpoint and awarded over 67,000€ plus legal fees and interest to the client. This was then followed by the news the Supreme Court had just issued another sentence against Silverpoint, bringing the total number of cases won at this court by Canarian Legal Alliance to 65.

Now on with Irene’s article where she recounts our first meeting and her visit and interview with Canarian Legal Alliance. We have certainly moved on since that first meeting.

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The meeting of minds

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By Irene Parker

October 5, 2017

We are judged by the company we keep, so shortly after submitting my first article to Inside Timeshare my husband and I flew to Gran Canaria, Canary Islands to meet Charles Thomas and his Canarian Legal Alliance friends. It was not an easy trip since we boarded the wrong plane in Madrid and ended up in AMSTERDAM!

We stayed at Diamond Resorts Cala Blanca resort on Mogan. A Diamond sales agent in the US actually introduced me to Charles by sending me one of his articles. The staff at Cala Blanca could not have been nicer. I talked quite a while with the manager as he was the head of a resort employee union of sorts advocating on behalf of refugees he felt were being treated unfairly at a resort on the other side of the bay. One of the sales agents working at Cala Blanca and a friend of Charles is one of my Facebook friends.

In today’s timeshare world you can’t be too careful. Attorneys come in all ethical shapes and sizes. In addition to meeting Charles, I was able to meet with the CLA office manager Csilla, named business person of the year for Gran Canaria, several intake workers showing sincere compassion as they listened to timeshare accounts over the phone, and a few CLA lawyers. Since this July 2016 video clip CLA has achieved several more victories for EU timeshare clients – 65 Supreme Court victories to be exact as of October 4, 2017. Watching this video for the first time, I remember thinking if Cristina ever decides she doesn’t like law, she could find a job in the motion picture industry.

http://www.canarianlegalalliance.com/cla-latest-updates-video/

Timeshare today seems to have lost all sense of direction. True, we hear primarily from the disgruntled, but developer lawsuits flying back and forth between timeshare developers and transfer agents has left many timeshare members in a state of confusion. Who do you trust?

I trust CLA and am honored to have been asked to have my Inside Timeshare articles featured on the new CLA International website with Charles webmaster of the news tab. Our Diamond Resorts member sponsored Advocacy Facebook administrator and Economics Professor Michael Nuwer and Australian Contributor Justin Morgan submitted their comments for this article about the Apollo Global Management buyout of Diamond Resorts.

http://clainternational.ae/2017/09/28/who-is-apollo-what-is-apollo-two-diamond-member-consumer-advocates-offer-their-opinion/

Timeshare members need help. It has been widely reported many aging baby boomers (like me) are desperate to be released from timeshare. Some timeshare companies have launched surrender programs, like Wyndham’s Ovation program, but the vast majority of members contacting Inside Timeshare succumbed to high interest rate loans and credit cards. Thus, they are not eligible for voluntary surrender programs. Often they are forced into foreclosure. The problem is exacerbated when the member alleges they were deceived into buying a timeshare or upgraded for maintenance fees relief or buy-back programs that do not exist. Out of 157 complaints received (as of October 4), 143 allege deceit on the front end of the sale. The others can’t afford rising maintenance fees.

From our humble beginnings, as more members started helping other members, we called ourselves Timeshare Advocacy Group™ as members turned anger and disbelief into action and advocacy. Timeshare Advocacy Group™ started as an afterthought. A former timeshare sales agent contacted me and said they wanted to do a press release in Arizona. We needed a place where readers could respond.

Irina Allen stepped up to the plate. She is our Facebook page administrator.

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Irina (Irene) Allen purchased over $500,000 worth of timeshare points to share with family, friends and clients. On the advice of a sales agent, Irene opened a RedWeek account and posted one ad to rent some of her points. She gave up this idea after she never got paid for the rental. Rentals are not allowed, according to company rules, but there are hundreds of rental ads anyway. She also was accused of opening an Airbnb account. Irene says she has never had an Airbnb account. She was expected to pay $2,400 per month in mortgage payments and $29,000 in maintenance fees for a year while her account was suspended. Resorts are exempt from the rule for promotional purposes. Thus, the resort was able to rent out Irene’s points at Irene’s expense.

At Timeshare Advocacy Group™ members also help members with regulatory filings and media outreach. We have Wyndham, Bluegreen and Diamond members working alongside former Hyatt, Westgate, and Diamond timeshare sales agents in an effort to reform an industry badly in need of reform. In addition to timeshare members, other Advocates, like blogger Lisa Ann Schreier, lend their support. Lisa Ann and Charles are both former timeshare sales agents.

In America, it’s not easy these days for opposing sides to talk to each other, but every once in awhile there is a glance of a Republican sticking their toe over to the Democratic side of the aisle. It is our hope there will be a day when developers will take the time to listen to what critics have to say instead of only focusing on ambulance chasing unscrupulous transfer and listing agents. It is my belief, until the deception on the front end of the timeshare sale is acknowledged and addressed, the court of public opinion is the only court open for the beleaguered and often financially devastated timeshare member learning their contract is perpetual and the secondary market limited at best. For some timeshare companies, there is no secondary market. What other investment or product exists that holds the buyer of a product hostage?

Charles Irene

Charles is winging his way to America tomorrow, so let us know if you will be in the Orlando area October 8 – 12. Or, let Charles know the next times you happen to be on Gran Canaria in the Canary Islands.

I am a former stockbroker and financial planner. After I retired from the brokerage business, I became a CASA Supervisor, writing court reports for Family Court on behalf of children in foster care. I have always had a problem turning my back on anyone who considers themselves a victim. There are many ways to volunteer time in retirement. Join us in our efforts to enhance timeshare accountability and transparency.

http://insidetimeshare.com/what-a-volunteer-does-for-nothing/

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That’s it for this week, tomorrow will be a long day as it is Gran Canaria, Madrid, Miami then to Orlando. I know Irene and Don have set aside a couple of days to show me some of the sights, so it will not be all work and no play!

We will however be trying to publish some articles while over there, so keep an eye on these pages.

Have a great weekend

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The Tuesday Slot; Airbnb v Timeshare

Preface by Irene

The mass murder in Las Vegas strikes everyone worldwide to their core. The 2nd amendment in America was written when our founding fathers defended themselves with muskets. Many ask, and I’m sure others wonder why I am so determined to advocate for consumers who feel they have been victimized financially by unscrupulous timeshare sales agents. Memories like the ones in Vegas are experiencing will last a lifetime. At age 24, my best friend since the third grade Jayme Simmons, was murdered by her husband in front of her two year old. He served seven years in jail. That level of anger may dim but it doesn’t die. I channeled my anger into advocating for victims of any race, creed or color. I hope those experiencing what they are experiencing today will find peace and a way to make their heartbreak a path to a better world. Does that better world include me being able to buy an assault weapon?

While getting this article ready for publishing this latest news has just been released:

Airbnb have issued a statement that they are offering free rooms to family members of the Vegas victims. This is a very great move by this company and is highly commendable.

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Tattoos Timeshares and Airbnb

Airbnb “Experiences!”

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Michelle Myles and Airbnb

https://www.airbnb.com/experiences/111311?source=pdpother

Featured Airbnb launch of a New York City Tattoo “Experience”

https://press.atairbnb.com/airbnb-and-celebrity-guests-celebrate-launch-of-nyc-experiences/

By Irene Parker

October 3, 2017

A few timeshare members posted on a member sponsored Facebook I follow that their sales agents told them they could use timeshare points to book Airbnb stays. I contacted the resort only to learn no such program existed, but I began to think about how the ability to use timeshare points to book Airbnb stays might solve the two biggest timeshare complaints Inside Timeshare hears most frequently.

First, there are many complaints about limited availability. Airbnb has four million choices spanning the globe. Second, there are many timeshare complaints about the cost of a stay. While timeshare bargains can be found, if your goal is to vacation in New York City, our timeshare does not work. It would cost us $13,467 in maintenance fee dollars to stay one week October 1 – November 30 at the same New York hotel that could be booked online for $2,867 including taxes and fees. I checked year round. The ability to stay in New York was the reason we bought additional timeshare points.

What’s an Airbnb Experience?

Airbnb has a unique “Experience” program that allows members to book cultural experiences for as little as $20 per person. Unlike timeshare, Airbnb doesn’t use the “Experience” program as a means to sell you anything.

Michelle Myle’s New York City Daredevil Tattoo Experience is one that hits home. Michelle is my daughter. We had assumed Michelle would get a job as a graphic designer after graduating from Parsons School of Design, designing ads for cereal boxes or something, but the classic artist in Michelle had other ideas.

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As Michelle explained to me, “It’s not just prisoners and sailors anymore!”  When I saw one of Michelle’s tattoo’s on the cover of New Yorker magazine commemorating 9/11 one year showcasing a “5555” officer down tattoo on the arm of a firefighter, we understood that tattooing has come of age.

King Tut is a favorite of mine.

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In addition to being the co-founder of Daredevil Tattoo located in a quiet (for New York) section of Chinatown, Michelle used Kickstarter to launch Daredevil Tattoo Museum. This led to Michelle becoming a curator and licensed NYC Tour Guide. Artifacts were on display at the New York Historical Society this year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/arts/design/tattooed-new-york-mohawk-chiefs-bowery-denizens-inking-artists.html?mcubz=1/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpHYJCmDJjM

The above link displays Forbes Magazine’s report about Michelle’s Friday the 13th marketing strategy that attracts hundreds every Friday the 13th.

I wondered about other Airbnb Experiences. Of interest to me is Urban Grown. Tony is the founder of Harlem Grown, a non-profit that has grown to eight urban farms. Tony’s organization inspires youth to lead healthy lives through hands-on urban farming and nutrition. If I chicken out of getting a tattoo, my back-up plan is Tony’s Urban Farms.

https://www.airbnb.com/experiences/38915?location=New%20York%2C%20NY%2C%20United%20States&source=p2&currentTab=experience_tab

Here’s the complete Airbnb Experience shopping list.

https://www.airbnb.com/s/experiences?allow_override%5B%5D=&s_tag=gk2A53_K

Thank you to Charles Thomas for this opportunity to shamelessly promote Daredevil Tattoo and Museum. Daredevil is located just steps from the Lower East Side Tenement Tours, so stop by the next time you visit The Big Apple. Michelle is used to “one of my mother’s friends” stopping by.

I am always asked, “Do you have any tattoos?” No, in 1989 I told Michelle I would not pay her tuition at Parson’s School of Design if she obtained more than five tattoos. Michelle thought this was cruel and unusual punishment. She has bent somewhat on that position, but I’m just not sure what art to select. It probably should be trumpet great Miles Davis, because after attending a Miles Davis concert, the opening act Richard Pryor, I reported shortly after birth, Michelle’s middle name would be Myles.

We have all used and enjoyed our timeshares and hope the industry works with us to achieve greater accountability and transparency in timeshare sales.  And hey, maybe timeshare developers could create new ways for timeshare members to use their timeshare points by booking Airbnb stays. It’s not a bad idea.

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Thank you Irene and Michelle, also our thanks to Airbnb who helped Irene prepare this article. We know that it is not timeshare but it does show other alternatives, as Irene said, maybe developer could find another way of working.

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First Monday of October

Welcome to the first Monday of October, if last month was anything to go by, we think that this month is going to be rather busy. Inside Timeshare will be travelling to the US at the end of the week, while there we will be meeting with our US colleagues all arranged by Irene Parker. It should prove a very interesting trip, we also hope to carry on publishing while there.

Before we continue, Irene has sent the latest update from the US on the atrocity committed in Las Vegas, the toll has risen to 50 dead and over 400 wounded. Inside Timeshare on behalf of all our readers send our sympathies to those bereaved and wish the very best and a speedy recovery to those injured. You are in our thoughts. It is a sad world we live in today and this makes our timeshare problems seem paltry in the light of these events.

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Last Month, we highlighted several new “claims” companies, along with the new incarnations from Litigious Abogados, no doubt there will be many more coming to light as the month progresses. We are just wondering on what the new names will be?

Over the last month we have had many emails on the articles published, especially on the fake firms, but many from the US who have watched our midweek reports and Friday’s Letter from America.

The US readers have all identified with many of the stories published, these have been passed to our Advocates who then make contact. Many of the stories are very similar, all revolving around the overselling of points and the use of the Diamond BarclayCard. It is frightening to see how many of these readers are elderly and how they are being treated by unscrupulous sales agents. Things do need to change.

Last week Canarian Legal Alliance sent in several of their latest court victories, some arrived after publishing.

On 26 September, we published their 61st win at the Supreme Court, since then there have been two more bringing the total to 63! Details have yet to be published.

They finished off last week with two more victories on behalf of their clients, the first was at the High Court Number 4 in Fuengirola, Malaga.

This was against Petchey Leisure, the contract was declared null & void, again it was in contravention of law 42/98. In this ruling the court declared that the contract did not specify certain information required by law when the contract was signed and issued. These specifics included, lack of information such as date time and location, which should be clearly indicated in the terms and conditions. The court awarded the client over £14,000 plus legal fees and legal Interest.

Just to end the week on a high note, they also announced another ruling against Silverpoint in Tenerife. The High Court Number 3, once again declared the contract null and void, awarding the client over £39,000 plus legal fees and interest.

In this ruling the judge used the timeshare law 42/98 regarding the length of the contract, which must be no longer than 50 years and must be clearly stated in the terms and conditions.

In today’s press release, they announced a verdict from the Court of First Instance in maspalomas, this was against Palm Oasis (Tasolan).

The German client has been awarded the return of 31,220 German Marks (yes you did read that correctly, it was purchased before the Euro). They have also been awarded maintenance fees and legal interest, with the contract being declared null and void.

So that is the start of this week, it just remains to be seen what other news come to light as the days pass.

It only goes for us to say as usual, be careful on who you do business with, if you do not know how to check out the validity of a company, contact Inside Timeshare and we will point you in the right direction.

 

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Friday’s Letter from America

Welcome to this week’s Friday’s Letter from America, somehow we think that when you have read this story you will be shocked, we certainly were.

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Inside Timeshare heard from its first US timeshare member seeking advice one year ago. Like today, it was a Hispanic family. We in Spain feel like first cousins to American Hispanics, so are particularly affected when we hear one of our own might be faced with the possibility of foreclosure.

http://insidetimeshare.com/irene-parker-write-barclay-card-usa/

When the resort says no, a family may have no choice but to consider foreclosure. There is no one company to blame. Deceit on the front end of the timeshare sale has been talked about since timeshare began. The industry has had its ups and downs, but the emergence of the “right to use” point programs seem to have escalated timeshare complaints and lawsuits from both sides of the fence. There has been a flurry of developer lawsuits against exit, transfer or claims companies targeting members desperate for help, as well as lawsuits against lawyers practicing questionable business practices. Legitimate law firms are not immune.  Several Attorneys General in America have been investigating various timeshare companies.

Caught in the middle is the timeshare member, like the Vargas family. Hoping to warn the general public as well as existing timeshare members, to the danger of buying something that cannot be sold, Deneise Vargas shares her story.

How easily a Vacation Plan can result in Foreclosure

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By Deneice Vargas

September 29, 2017

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I had hoped Diamond Resorts would help us. A hospitality agent had told me to supply medical documentation about my husband’s medical condition, so I thought they had listened and responded in a positive way. I then learned the person I had spoken with had quit. The person who replaced her said they would not help us because Louis got Bell’s palsy a week before we signed the timeshare contract. Bell’s palsy is not the flu! Symptoms include muscle weakness, drooling and an inability to make facial expressions. Just because a person has not been diagnosed, does not mean they are not suffering from a disease.

In dollar terms, this is what we are facing:

  • Current Loan Balance: $93,671 financed at 13.5%
  • Paid already: $76,627
  • Current Maintenance Fee: $6,948
  • We have accumulated 67,500 vacation points

Why buy so many timeshare points?

We purchased a timeshare at Polo Towers in Las Vegas and at Palm Canyon. We were never told maintenance fees would go up each year. With the loans and the maintenance fees, we have used all our savings.

At the Las Vegas sales presentation, the sales manager threatened to have our first sales agent from Palm Canyon in Palm Springs, Tim, fired because it was not legal, per them, for Tim to hold a price for us. The manager got on my phone, speaking to Tim, chewing him out. I was so upset I started to cry. I was confused and did not know what to do. We signed that contract so Tim would not be fired. They opened and charged a Diamond Barclaycard because I did not have enough money. Another $3135 was charged to two different Visa cards. Last July we had to refinance our house to pay off the credit cards.

We went to Las Vegas twice in 2015.  They told us we had to attend an informational meeting about Apollo Global Management because Apollo had purchased Diamond. They said it was not a sales presentation. They lied because they again tried to sell us more points. We were told we should buy more points because we could use points to pay maintenance fees and buy plane tickets and other things. We were not told Platinum members can only use points to pay maintenance fees at four cents a point or that a vacation point is only worth pennies per point if used to buy plane tickets.

In 2016 we went again to Palm Canyon Palm Springs. Tim introduced us to Dan Vendl. Dan explained the benefits of being trial Platinum. I hesitated because the money was going. Dan said there was a company we could refinance with that had a better rate than Diamond, so our payment would be less. That was not true.

We were told “We are real estate agents. You can write off the interest paid and closing costs on these contracts because it is like real estate.” They said the proof was because they have real estate licenses. They are licensed real estate agents, but what they told us was not true. Our accountant said we were not allowed to take any deductions. We were told we had to buy that day so we could not talk to our accountant.

Anytime we check in, they harass us to do another update.  In Las Vegas while checking in, the woman wanted to follow me to the parking garage to get Louie to change his mind even though I had told her NO. She said she needed for us to participate so she would get credit.

We have cancelled other Diamond contracts after signing. One reason was our 16 year old granddaughter was dying of brain cancer.  My son had already lost his wife to cancer and we were helping him.

Now Las Vegas Polo Towers has been calling again. Binni Thomas and his Supervisor Melvin say we need to upgrade to 50,000 points to become permanent Platinum members.  Again, we are told we should never have been given a $3.30 price per point. He said the points are now selling for $8.70 each and that is what we should pay.

I told him No!

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Social Media helps. At least we know we are not alone. If you or someone you know does not know where to turn for timeshare help, contact Inside Timeshare or one of the self-help Advocacy Group as members work to help other members find the next step.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DiamondResortsOwnersAdvocacy/

https://www.facebook.com/timeshareadvocategroup/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/180578055325962/

Now that you have read this story, do you not agree that things must change?

This type of selling must not be allowed to continue, whether it is in the US, Europe or anywhere else in the world. At least In Spain the law is on the side of the consumer, Spain now has some of the strongest laws relating to timeshare in the world. It is through the efforts of law firms such as Canarian Legal Alliance that have brought this about.

The rest of the world take note, have a good weekend.

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Update: Litigious Abogados the Fake Family of Lawyers

Well it seems that Inside Timeshare has lost the wager on the name of the director who pleads guilty at court, article published Thursday 21 Sept. In this we said that it would most likely be a Keith Baker or Keith Balker, as that name had been used on many other occasions.

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Amador Galeca Abogados have come up with a new name,  Andrew Cooper, has this time pleaded guilty in a Spanish Court, for a timeshare bought and located in the United Kingdom!

Firstly, why would a Spanish court be adjudicating on a case that is clearly outside of its jurisdiction?

Secondly, in all the years we have been looking at this industry, we have not known any timeshare company or directors plead guilty to anything. On the contrary, they have always denied any wrongdoing, finding excuses and legal loopholes to wriggle out of it. Well, not quite, back in July 2009, at Reading Magistrates Court, UK, Gary Leigh (ILG) did unexpectedly plead guilty to 11 counts of the most serious charges.

http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2009/07/15/timeshare-conman-convicted/

Now the name of this new director who pleads guilty and has all his property and assets seized by the Spanish court, is a name that is very familiar. Could it be they are using Andrew Charles Cooper of the former Club Class and Bridgeview Consultants as the director. Possibly because his name is very well known to many people?

In our article of 31 July, Keith Balker pleaded pleaded guilty on behalf of Club Class Holidays, could it be as we have been publishing this name for so long they needed a change?

Also the names Keith Baker and Keith Balker are very similar to one of the names of an ILG director Keith Barker. Could this have been a take on that?

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Another question that is puzzling us, is in regards to the bank accounts that are being used, the latest being Deutsche Bank, with the name of the so called Procurator Graham Ingum Gorrin. The question is how on earth are these accounts being opened?

Surely in this day and age they must be doing some kind of security checks, after all when I went to open a new bank account, the documentation and proof of residence was extensive. Is this group that well prepared with all the fake documents to open these accounts or is it the banks are failing in their procedures?

To follow the story from the start, search Litigious Abogados in the search box.

Basic rules on keeping your hard earned money safe

As we have warned before, unless you have instructed a law firm to act on your behalf, then there is no case. The courts do not use outside agencies or companies to contact consumers who may have been victims of fraud. If they do need to contact you they will do so through official channels, not by telephone or email.

The courts do not issue cheques, especially from banks that are no longer in existence such as Banesto.

Spanish Courts will not be dealing with cases which have not been purchased within Spanish jurisdiction, so if your timeshare was purchased outside of Spain, then you do not have a case pending.

The Courts will also not appoint any company to investigate a missing cheque and recoup the money from the bank on your behalf.

Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs would not be getting involved, they will not contact you by telephone or email.

Do not be fooled by the promises of the huge sums being held and waiting for you to collect, or the very genuine looking paperwork.

Until you are 100% sure that it is genuine do not pay any money, whether it is for procurator fees to lodge the case, taxes, notary fees, or any other reason to release the money.

If you are in doubt and need help in verifying any company that has contacted you with any of these promises, get in touch with Inside Timeshare.

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Timeshare Foreclosure

In yesterday’s article “Start the Week”, we had a look at the resale market in Europe, or the lack of it. We highlighted one resale company Fab Timeshare Resales, who specialise in Marriott resale. The prices advertised on their website started at a paltry 1000€ or $1,180 for a timeshare which starts at 17,000€ or $21,000 according to the Marriott website.

Today Irene Parker looks at the growing problem in the US of foreclosure and defaults, which may just be partly due to the lack of the resale or secondary market, but first a little more news from Europe.

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Last week in Friday’s Letter from America, we published the news released by Canarian Legal Alliance on their 60th Supreme Court ruling. Yesterday they announced another, which is now 61!

In this ruling it is yet again the Tenerife company Silverpoint, which bring rulings from Spain’s Highest Court against them to 22. The judges in this instance ruled the contract null and void with the return of over £43,000 plus legal fees and legal interest. We are still waiting for the actual infractions of the law to be released, but going by past judgements it will more than likely be the duration of the contract being more than 50 years.

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On the “scam” front, mindtimeshare have again highlighted another rather clever little ploy coming out of the Costa del Sol. This company is called Joint Returns Legal Consultants, who have apparently been appointed by the High Court to inform consumers that a case has gone through and the court is now holding money to be returned.

Obviously as with all these “scams”, there is a “TAX” to be paid and the “gentleman” on the phone going by the name Peter Sanchez, send emails confirming the story with letter headings from “Agencia Tributaria”. All this along with confirmation from the BBVA (Bank) and a Notary it all seems very plausible.

Telephone numbers:

Tel.: +34 632844887. Fax: 0872 113 1069

Email jointreturns@gmail.com

This really does go to show some of the lengths these people will go just to get your money, we have said this before and we will continue to issue the same warning.

THE COURTS DO NOT APPOINT PRIVATE COMPANIES TO INFORM CONSUMERS THAT MONEY IS BEING HELD. THERE ARE NO CASES AT COURT UNLESS YOU HAVE INSTIGATED THEM YOURSELF. DO NOT PAY ANY MONEY ESPECIALLY BY BANK TRANSFER TO AN INDIVIDUAL.

Now for today’s main article from Irene.

Timeshare Foreclosure

Is it survivable?

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By Irene Parker

September 26 2017

Inside Timeshare received five more complaints over the weekend. This makes over 150 timeshare complaints received. The rise in timeshare default rates reported by bond rating agencies and the lawsuits that have ensued as timeshare developers try to stop the flow of “Cease and desist” letters prove we are not imagining a crisis.

  1. Would you buy a house you could not sell?
  2. Would you buy a boat or car you could not sell?
  3. Would you pay $25,000 to over $500,000 to join a country club you can’t quit?

According to Bankrate

Avoid developer financing

Lenders won’t mortgage a time share because they haven’t been successful in resales or in their valuation, says Patricia Hayhurst, mortgage consultant for Capital Bank in Coral Gables, Florida. “They are considered high-risk lending.”

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/loans/timeshare-loans-primer.aspx

Our own Lisa Ann Schreier was quoted in the article.

“Most (consumers) I hear from are using the developer’s financing as they are unaware of any other alternatives,” says Lisa Ann Schreier, founder of the consumer consulting company Timeshare Insights in Clermont, Florida. “If a consumer can obtain a personal loan (elsewhere) for the time share, the interest rate can be significantly lower as typical developer financing runs 15% to 19%.”

The problem is this is how sales are made. “When you get home, get a home equity loan,” is a common suggestion as it gets the developer off the hook once the buyer realizes they cannot afford the timeshare. Rather than sign off on a high interest rate loan on the spot, demand that you have time to check with your bank or credit union to find out if such statements are true and if you qualify.

Financial journalist Robert Shaw in his 2016 Seeking Alpha article, “Does timeshare need a millennial act to attract new buyers?” questions the industry’s over reliance on upgrading or up-selling existing buyers.

Since an existing owner is familiar and already pleased with the product, sales to existing owners are typically much easier to close. It is hard to visualize an existing owner who is totally dissatisfied with their current ownership sitting through a 90-minute sales tour.

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Based on the accounts heard by those reaching out to Inside Timeshare, the reason the upgrade is easy to close, is because of deception on the front end of the timeshare sales, offering buy-back and resale programs that do not exist, or ways to offset maintenance fees to those already financially burdened that do not exist.

Mr. Shaw also feels timeshare is no longer sold as an investment. Yes it is. Buy now because the price is going to double refers to the retail price, not the resale price, yet over and over we hear this repeated as the reason the member purchased additional points. Not one member who has contacted Inside Timeshare realized their contract was perpetual and there was no secondary market.

Timeshare is definitely not a real estate investment and apart from the occasional overzealous sales associate, timeshare companies long ago stopped pitching it as such an investment. Yet, its lack of being a real estate investment may make it less attractive to newer, younger buyers who are wanting value and the ability to sell it when they no longer want or need it.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/3991819-timeshare-need-new-act-attract-millennial-buyers

At least Mr. Shaw questions the concerns expressed by timeshare insiders. Most financial news services merely want to justify the buy on the stock price.

The Foreclosure process is gruesome. There will be threatening calls and the hit on your credit score. We are not attorneys and cannot give legal advice, but the Nolo article about timeshare foreclosure is one of the best articles I’ve read on the subject. Many have tried to resolve issues with their resort, but the oral representation clause reigns.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/options-avoid-timeshare-foreclosure.html

A good number of those reporting back to us that their resort will not cancel their loan, despite alleged deception on the front end of the sale, has led to many indicating they will not be paying their 2018 maintenance fees. They have no choice because they cannot afford the timeshare. Do not respond to the ads appearing when we publish our articles asking for upfront money to get you out of your timeshare.

I question how the industry can survive. Almost all of the members contacting us have children and grandchildren. Although there is a bit of a role reversal with several parents telling us, “We haven’t told our kids about this”, many have, and those children and grandchildren want nothing to do with the timeshare product once they learn their parents were deceived into buying it.

Please continue to report your grievances. In the book The Burglary by former Washington Post reporter Betty Medsger, describing the break-in at the FBI office in late 1970 that led to the exposure of J Edgar Hoover’s illegal surveillance tactics, led by a Haverford College physics professor at the Media, PA FBI office.  Gloria Steinem wrote as a testimonial:

“Ordinary people have the courage and community to defeat the most powerful and punitive of institutions.”

Timeshare today is broken. When sales agents can lie and laugh about it, at the expense of the young and the old, financially devastated by their vacation plan, something is very wrong. Lawmakers, heavily influenced by the industry, don’t seem to care because timeshare buyers don’t typically buy a timeshare in the state they live in. Attorneys General try to protect the public, but the settlements achieved are mere speed bumps in extraordinary revenue streams.

Add your voice to the growing number of timeshare members who have had enough. Contact Inside Timeshare or one of these self-help groups if you have had enough of the hamster wheel called timeshare sales if deceit has been used to sell the product, foreclosure to retrieve it, and resale at full price to continue the never ending process.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DiamondResortsOwnersAdvocacy/

https://www.facebook.com/timeshareadvocategroup/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/180578055325962/

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So there we have it, no resale or secondary market equals foreclosure, what a state of affairs.

In Europe we are seeing the proliferation of the bogus claims companies, these are playing on the desperation of those who want out but are unable to do so. It may be the resorts or developers will not allow them out, it may be they are unable to sell due to no market, it used to be bogus resale companies that took owners for thousands, how times have changed or have they?

 

Hello monday

Start the Week

Over the weekend Inside Timeshare received an email from Javier Correa Guimerá, a Spanish lawyer who at one time worked with Miguel Ceballos the senior lawyer from CLA. Javier posts on various forums answering many question on timeshare matters.

His email referred to the articles published last week on the new fake law firm Amador Galeca Abogados, part of the Litigious Abogados family. He was commenting on the very strange names these so-called law firms use for their lawyers, he states they are not even Spanish, just by seeing the names he is sure it is a scam.

Another point he made was about the directors pleading guilty, asking where in this world would a timeshare company accept responsibility, willingly and pay up? He called it Absurd and nonsense!

In this we must agree with him, we have never heard of any timeshare company accepting any responsibility or pleading guilty, quite the contrary, they always seem to deny any wrongdoing. All we can say is Inside Timeshare has made extensive enquiries about all these firms, searched for the lawyers, checked the cases with the courts and not one has proved positive.

FAB Timeshare Resales

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Over the past months we have been running articles which have highlighted the lack of a resale or secondary market on many timeshares, today we look at Marriott.

In Spain there is a company called Fab Timeshare Resales, it is a subsidiary of Fab Property based in Marbella on the Costa del Sol, the Managing Director is Julie Bett, who is an ex-regional director of sales for Marriott. According the website she has over 17 years experience in the timeshare industry.

The company was formed in 2012, the purpose was to help private individuals who wanted to sell their Marriott Vacation Club memberships, because MVC did not have a resales section for their European Resort members.

FAB Timeshare Resales also state they are fully registered and approved, operating under strict European Timeshare Guidelines. They also boast being members of the Licensed Timeshare Resale Brokers Association (LTRBA which is a US body) and ARDA (American Resorts Development Association).

This is quite commendable, a resale company that is working by the rules, especially with the reputation resale has in Europe. The only problem, is one of price!

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Looking at their website memberships are being offered for as little a 1000€, way below what was originally paid. According to Marriott’s own website, prices start at around $21,000, or about 17,000€, not a cheap purchase.

It is not just Marriott which has this problem, look at any resale prices, those which are priced higher are what the owner believes they can get (or want) for their timeshare. The reality is very different, ebay shows many timeshares listed with the owners unable to give them away, even when they are willing to pay the transfer fees.

Many sales agents during their pitch will talk about the timeshare being property, which as we know, property goes up in value, but all they are actually getting is a right to use. The purchaser owns nothing!

For years timeshare was sold as an investment, even though the timeshare directives set by the EU stated it should not be sold a such. This has actually in one respect given rise to the resale problem, purchasers have in their minds the price they paid and then the “promise” of it going up in value. Many of the bogus timeshare resale companies played on this, offering ridiculous prices just to draw the prospective seller in.

The fact there is a resale company out there which is working to the rules is commendable, but the prices reflect only only one thing, that what you purchased in the first place is nothing but promises, there is no actual value. All you own is a right to use some very lovely properties.

If you have any questions or comments about any article published, then contact Inside Timeshare and remember to do your homework before engaging with any company.

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